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The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri
Krishna, and His eternal consort, Srimati
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Our Mission: To help everyone awaken
their original Krishna consciousness, which is
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Such a global awakening will, in one stroke,
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bringing in a new era of unprecedented peace and
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Today's Thought: |
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Owning Up to Our Mortality
Uploaded from Bhaktivedanta Ashram--Austin,
Texas USA |
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There
is no sense in dreaming that we can live forever. The
clock is ticking away at every second bringing us closer
and closer to death. Pretending that death is not coming
will not make it go away. The inexorable time juggernaut
keeps right on rolling along crushing everything in its
path. Sooner or later it will be our turn to
succumb. Therefore the intelligent person prepares
himself now for the inevitable by reviving his Krishna
consciousness to prepare himself for eternal,
all-blissful, full cognizant existence in that wondrous
spiritual sky.
Sankarshan Das Adhikari |
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Answers According to the Vedic Version: |
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Objection: There Are Not Two Caste Systems |
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Dear
Gurudeva,
Pranams. I am sorry to partially refuse the view point
you stated yesterday regarding varnashram. I think there
are not two caste systems. Please give me some Vedic
proof for the same.
As per my understanding, a birth of a living entity is
decided by his quality (and capacity) at the time of
death. So a living entity desiring to know the truth is
placed in a brahminical womb, one desirous to achieve
fame is placed in a ksatriya womb, one desirous to
achieve wealth (or thinking about wealth at time of
death) is placed in vaisya womb, and one who was
thinking about sense enjoyment would be placed in a
sudra womb [and more trivial ones like just thinking
about eating meat may be placed in animal wombs]. God
not only places the entity in a womb corresponding to
his desire, but also gives as much facility as possible
so that the living entity can fulfill his desire and in
the course can also achieve some spiritual progress.
So it is correct that a person's caste is determined by
his qualities and actions, but it is also correct that a
person's caste is determined by his birth, since the
birth is determined by the qualities and actions (of his
previous berth). It is possible that after birth a
person may change his qualities and actions (like sage
Vishwamitra or Dronacharya). But I think they are
exceptions and not the rule. Otherwise we have the risk
of assuming that God places entities in womb randomly
with no relation to the quality or desire of a
particular individual. So varnashram WAS a perfect
socio/economic/spiritual system. This might have been
degraded mainly by researchers who didn't had the idea
of rebirth/transmigration and hence were not able to
understand the caste system (basically birth based) on
previous activity and existence of desires even before a
living entity enters into the womb. And in trying to
defend from their onslaught many acharyas had endorsed
the view.
So in my opinion varnashram including caste by birth was
a perfect system (even though it can't be revived until
end of kali yuga) as well as practical. Since if
we have to decide a persons caste by his activities, who
will decide and when? It will be an almost impossible
and controversial activity with almost all relatives of
the ruling class being classified as brahmanas and
everyone else as sudras, so the only practical way of
deciding caste may be by birth.
However except for this view on varnashram I agree with
most of your other views and I am grateful for the same
in providing me a hope to come out of this
illusion/suffering. In case if you find my opinion not
correct, please let me know and once again I am sorry if
was wrong in writing this.
Respectfully yours,
Subramanian
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Answer: The Real System and Its
Shadow |
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I beg to
point out that I am not presenting my views. I am
presenting the authoritative version of the Vedic
literatures as confirmed by the great acharyas. I also
beg to point out that you have a misunderstanding
regarding the system of four social and spiritual
orders, which is technically called the varnashram
system in the Vedic literatures, and commonly referred
to as the caste system. However, because you are a
sincere seeker of truth, I accept your apology. You must
now lay aside all preconceived notions and understand
this matter clearly.
The great Vaisnava acharya, His Divine Grace A.C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada clearly describes the two
kinds of caste systems as follows:
"It is this divine varnashram-dharma that Krishna
recommends, not
the caste system as it is understood today. This modern
caste system is now condemned in India also, and it
should be condemned, for the classification of different
types of men according to birth is not the Vedic or
divine caste system."
"The Vedic literature consists of the sruti (the Vedas
and Upanisads) and the smrti (the Vedanta-sutra, the
Puranas, Itihasas like the Mahabharata and Ramayana, the
Pancaratras, and finally the Srimad-Bhagavatam). The
Srimad-Bhagavatam is the natural commentary on the
Vedanta-sutra and offers solid education on how to
conduct life perfectly. In recent ages the smrti texts
have become prominent and influenced human thought and
action. All these scriptures fully support the
varnashram system of four social and four religious
orders. But what is today being labeled varnashram is an
atheistic concept totally unsupported by the scriptures.
Real varnashram is based not on birth but on people's
qualities and activities. One cannot reach the goal of
the scriptures by practicing today's demoniac caste
system. Only the introduction of daivi-varnashram, the
transcendental varnashram system, will serve the purpose
of the scriptures. This will move humanity toward
liberation."
While it is often the case that a person gets a birth
with parents of the same quality, it is often not the
case also. For example, in our Krishna consciousness
movement there are thousands of people who were born
into sudra families but who have shown by their
qualities and activities that they are indeed brahmanas.
In India one of them was told by a caste brahmana that
because he was engaged in Krishna consciousness even
though he was not a brahmana now, in his next life he
would take birth as a brahmana. This is pure rubbish.
This caste brahmana was promoting the demoniac caste
system based on birth. He refused to accept the divine
caste system described by Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita
based on qualities and activities. He refused to accept
that a western born preacher of Vedic dharma could be
accepted as a brahmana. Just see how close-minded and
bigoted he was.
The divine caste system is clearly described by Lord
Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita as follows:
cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
"According to the qualities of the three modes of
material nature and the work associated with them, the
four divisions of human society are created by Me."
--Bhagavad-gita 4.13
Note carefully that Krishna says guna karma, qualities
and work are the basis of the four social divisions. He
nowhere mentions janma or birth as the basis of
determining one's social position. A person whose
qualities and activities are a manifestation of the mode
of goodness is a brahmana. A person whose qualities and
activities are in the mode of passion is a ksatriya. A
person who has a mixture of passion and ignorance is a
vaisya. And a person who is in the mode of ignorance is
a sudra. In any society in any part of the world these
natural social divisions are there. In communist Russia
there was an artificial attempt to make a classless
society, but the social divisions were still there. The
common people were the worker sudra class. And the
communist party members were the ksatriya or
administrative class. The intellectuals who opposed
communism were the brahmana class. The vaisya class was
suppressed and not allowed to function. But as soon as
communism fell so many Russians came out as mercantile
men, the vaisya class.
When a proponent of the demoniac caste system stated
that Swami Bhaktivedanta is spoiling Hinduism, Srila
Prabhupada's retort was, "I am increasing the number of
Hindus."
Brahmana is a qualification. It is not by birth. Just as
a high-court judge's son is not a high-court judge
unless he has the qualifications of a high-court judge,
similarly the son of a brahmana is not a brahmana by
birth. Of course, birth as the son a high court judge
gives one a very good opportunity for being a high court
judge, but it is not automatic. If the high court
judge's son also wants to be a high court judge, he must
qualify himself.
It is the bona fide spiritual master who recognizes the
nature of his disciples and engages them properly in
Krishna's service according to their varna and ashram.
The four varnas (social orders) are brahmana, ksatriya,
vaisya, and sudra. The four ashrams (spiritual orders)
are brahmacari, grihastha, vanaprastha, and sannyasa.
Ruling class means ksatriyas, not brahmanas. The
brahmanas have no tendency to rule or accumulate wealth.
Brahmana means that person who knows what is Brahman,
the Absolute Truth, and who fully dedicates his life to
give knowledge of Brahman to the illusioned, ignorant
human society. It does not take a rocket scientist to
figure out who is an actual brahmana. Those persons who
enlighten others in the science of the Bhagavad-gita as
it is are the real brahmanas.
Sankarshan Das Adhikari
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